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TikTok Content Strategies for Leads and Sales

Published on: December 5 2022 by Social Media Examiner

TikTok Content Strategies for Leads and Sales

TikTok Content Strategies for Leads and Sales

- This is what's gonna essentially make your account grow,
get all those vanity metric numbers.
They're not necessarily going to convert as highly for you,
but this is gonna bring everybody into your ecosystem,
so they know who you are,
they know what your account is about.
They know your face, they recognize you over and over again.
(wildlife calling)
- Today, I'm very excited to be joined by Austin Armstrong.
If you don't know who Austin is,
he's a TikTok expert and host of the Business Tok Podcast.
He's founder of Socialty Pro,
an organic TikTok marketing agency that helps businesses
drive leads and sales with TikTok.
Austin, welcome to the show.
- Mike, thank you so much for having me on.
It's such an honor.
I've been a fan and a listener of the show for many years,
as we were chatting about.
So to be here is just a surreal experience.
- Well, I'm excited to have you, Austin.
And today we're gonna tok about TikTok content strategies
to develop more leads and more sales.
Now, before we go there, I'd love to hear your story.
How'd you get into TikTok?
Start wherever you wanna start.
- Yeah.
So I'm gonna take it quite far back,
and I'll bring it back or bring it up to the future,
but I've been doing social media marketing
for about 17 years, more than half of my life at this point.
Started back on MySpace when I was a 14 year old,
believe it or not.
Sort of got bit by that bug and figured out how to get
hundreds of thousands of people to follow
and connect with me as a 14, 15, 16 year old.
Was promoting bands and local t-shirt companies,
and doing a little bit of lead gen and whatnot.
So I've seen a lot of these platforms come and go,
and I've always remained interested and an eager student
throughout all of that.
When MySpace went away,
I sort of went behind the scenes for a while,
doing some freelance work,
working at a digital marketing agency.
And that ultimately led me to working
in the drug and alcohol treatment space.
and being in charge of- - Well that's different.
- Yeah, being in charge of their digital marketing strategy,
their SEO for the website,
doing all of their social media video marketing
on YouTube and whatnot.
And now fast forward a little bit.
How I found out and really got started on TikTok
is I'm a huge Gary V fan, Gary Vaynerchuk.
And about almost three years ago at this point, 2019,
towards the end of 2019,
he was shoving it down all of our throats,
you gotta get on this thing.
I was looking at back at his book, "Crushing It",
and I think he referenced it as Musical.ly in that book,
but he was telling all of us,
you've gotta get on this new platform,
it's gonna be huge, it's gonna be huge.
And I'm such a big Gary V fan, I said, okay,
I'm gonna try this thing out.
So in, I think it was September or October of 2019,
I jumped on the platform,
and I had no real idea of what I was doing on it
for the first couple of months.
No strategy. No plan whatsoever.
I was doing some silly dance moves.
I was trying to jump on trends, I put a cat video up.
Occasionally I'd tok about some digital marketing stuff.
There was no strategy,
no niche down focus on the account whatsoever.
And I sort of had an epiphany, if you will,
of why am I on this platform?
What do I want to get out of it?
What do I want to do on here?
And that's where I started to focus
and see if I could use it as a tool to grow my own business,
my own digital marketing agency,
which was just really focused
on video marketing, social media marketing,
and search engine optimization at the time.
Gave myself an ultimatum of,
I'm gonna only post about the products and services
that we serve for the next 30 days.
And if I don't see any traction in that first 30 days,
then maybe this is not the platform for me.
But something amazing happened, Mike.
- Yeah, real quick question before you say
what amazing happened. - Yeah.
- So just to be clear, you decided, and was it TikTok then,
or was it Musical.ly back then?
- It was TikTok.
- Okay.
So you decided you're gonna go on here for 30 days
and create content that it sounds like was
somehow related to your business.
And what was it you were hoping to achieve?
Like what exactly, in your mind,
what was success within 30 days?
- Well.
Growth, followers, engagement,
just vanity metrics at that point.
And just to see if it was at all possible.
If I had gotten any leads or any emails
to sign up for checklists or anything like that,
that would've just proven the concept
and been icing on the cake.
And it worked.
Almost like within a week of nicheing down and focusing,
momentum started to grow.
And I knew that there was something there,
and I really just never stopped.
And I still post every single day.
- Okay. That's really, really fascinating.
So kind of bring us up to the present.
Tell us a little bit about what kinds of content
you post on TikTok,
what your business is focused on today,
and how it's changed over the last couple years
since you kind of drank the Kool-Aid if you will.
- Yeah, so that first month of focus,
I think I went from about 300 followers
to maybe 3000 followers and I was like,
whoa, I 10x-ed my following, huge!
So up to date now,
I now as of this morning have 530,000 followers,
so it's been a wonderful growth journey
from a follower count.
But how it's changed is we really,
the first year and a half that I had growth on there,
I was promoting heavily search engine optimization.
Because I have a full SEO agency and a full team behind me
in regards to that.
And there was really nobody toking about that
on TikTok at the time.
Maybe two or three other people that had
any meaningful growth on the platform.
Now there's quite a few other SEO people on the platform.
But that's how I really became known.
And I toked a little bit about YouTube strategies
and Facebook, LinkedIn strategies and whatnot.
But SEO was really the growth metric for me,
and what I initially had become known for on the platform.
And after that scaled my business drastikally,
like within the first year and a half,
we went from a team of three people
to seven or eight people at that time.
We're now a team of 12 people, still growing very quickly.
This last year and a half we've incorporated
TikTok marketing into our services.
And now it's really the main service that we offer.
So I proved the strategy for myself first
growing my own company.
And then we started to develop a repeatable process,
test it with different industries,
different professionals, different businesses,
and just roll that out.
Now I tok a lot about TikTok marketing strategies.
But I still tok about my bread and butter
of SEO and different digital marketing strategies
on the platform.
- So we have a lot of marketers listening right now
that are very focused on Instagram,
very focused on Facebook,
or maybe possibly even focused on YouTube,
but maybe they're not paying as much attention to TikTok.
What do you wanna say to them?
Why should they consider TikTok?
- Well, TikTok's still the new kid on the block,
even though it's been around for three plus years
or Musical.ly's been around for longer than that.
we're still in that sweet spot of,
it's showing and getting everyone the most organic reach
in the fastest amount of time.
Within hours sometimes, if not days or weeks,
videos in every industry are getting thousands,
tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands,
sometimes millions of views and changing lives overnight.
It has never been easier to grow on social media,
and we're kind of like pre-ad takeover on TikTok still.
So all of the other platforms are kind of dominated by ads.
We're starting to see that on TikTok
with more ads showing up on the For You page.
But organic growth is still phenomenal on there right now,
and it's still a blue ocean in just about every industry
for business owners and entrepreneurs and creators
to grow on and experiment with.
I also think if you have a TikTok first strategy
and a short form, vertikal video strategy,
it's gonna help you grow
on all of your other accounts as well.
I don't wanna digress here too much because I know you have
some amazing episodes about repurposing your content
on all of these other platforms.
But a TikTok first strategy, a vertikal video strategy
is what all of these other platforms
are leveraging right now and pushing
as their organic format of choice.
We have Instagram reels, we have Facebook reels,
which is dominating right now.
We have YouTube shorts.
We have Pinterest with idea pins.
Twitter supports vertikal video up to 45 seconds.
You can post these videos
on Google My Business pages as well.
So if you master vertikal video,
it's going to by proxy help you grow
all of your other social media platforms as well.
Mike, it's fascinating.
I see these vertikal videos everywhere now on television.
You go into a sports bar.
ESPN's on and they're showing highlights.
It's vertikal videos with bars on either side of it.
Train stations, airports.
There's vertikal videos everywhere.
TikTok billboards everywhere.
So it's the largest organic platform right now.
I would jump on it. I would leverage it.
I would learn how to do this,
because the markets are changing,
people's attention spans are changing.
How people are looking and searching
for information is changing.
But it's gonna help you grow
your other social media platforms as well.
- Excellent. So let's, thank you for that, by the way.
Let's zoom in a little bit on your strategy.
Obviously the key to doing something on TikTok that works
is to be strategic and to be careful about what you do.
- Of course. - So let's kind of
highlight it at a high level.
What is your strategy?
How ought we create content when it comes to TikTok?
- So at the very highest level
of outlining a content strategy, I like to categorize it
in three different areas of a funnel.
At the very top of it,
you have your broad awareness oriented content.
And I'll give you examples of this if that's helpful
in each one of these categories.
But this is gonna be your viral potential content.
How many people at the broadest level can you reach
to bring them into your ecosystem
that would still be interested
in the products and services that you offer?
This is what's gonna essentially make your account grow,
get all those vanity metric numbers.
They're not necessarily going to convert as highly for you,
but this is gonna bring everybody into your ecosystem
so they know who you are,
they know what your account is about.
They know your face, they recognize you over and over again.
And just a quick example of this, in my personal funnel,
this broad awareness oriented content,
I do a lot of useful website.
Useful websites for business owners,
useful websites for entrepreneurs.
Websites that you've never heard of before.
Things along the lines of that.
Because these are the types-
- So we're clear on that.
Useful websites, give me an example.
What do you mean?
You actually show a screenshot of a website or something?
- Yeah, so I'll open the video up of,
here's a useful website to get royalty free background music
for your videos, or something along the lines of that.
And so that's gonna reach a lot of people.
That's gonna reach all of the creators out there.
Anybody that is creating content,
anybody that has a website, at the broadest level,
a lot of the things that I do.
Websites that will help you get more sales on your website
or websites that are gonna help you grow
or better optimize for search engine optimization.
So I'm planting those seeds as broad as possible
for anybody that's an entrepreneur, a business owner,
has a website, is a creator, is an aspiring creator,
is an aspiring entrepreneur or business owner to just,
even if they're not ready for my services,
I just want them to know about me, so when they are ready,
I'm the first person that they think about.
So that's at that broadest level there.
And then in the middle of the funnel here,
we have the consideration stage.
And this is really where you're going to be
nurturing your audience so they know you,
they like you and they trust you.
So this is gonna be a lot of your oriented content around
answering frequently asked questions that you get.
Doing video responses to comments
when they ask for clarifying information.
Doing deep dive tutorials on how to create
that perfect YouTube thumbnail.
Or how to optimize a blog artikle on your website
so that it's more likely to be found on search engines.
Or how to do X, Y, and Z.
Focusing on long tail keyword questions.
TikTok is becoming a search engine.
This is becoming more and more toked about
in the last couple of weeks that people are using TikTok
as a search engine instead of Google.
So creating content that's actually searchable,
taking them behind the scenes of a day in your life,
a day in your office.
What it's like to put together your products or services,
or pack something in before they ship it out to you.
All of these things that are going to nurture
the people that you've brought in
from that top of the funnel
so that they know a lot more about you.
A couple quick examples of this is,
I'll do a video on three ways to optimize
your Google My Business for better local SEO results.
Or how to create the perfect YouTube thumbnail step by step.
Or how to start your digital marketing agency
by freelancing on Upwork,
and going through long tail strategies with that.
And then at the very bottom of the funnel.
- Wait real quick, before we get the bottom of the funnel.
You kind of piqued my curiosity
about this long tail search question stuff.
So help me understand how in the world people are using
TikTok as a search engine.
That just doesn't compute in my brain.
Are you telling me that literally
you can just type in a search query on TikTok,
and it's smart enough to show you the right videos?
Is that what you're telling me?
- Absolutely.
So there's a bunch of tabs down at the bottom of TikTok.
There's the Discover tab,
and you have the little search icon there.
You can search for anything.
Things to do in your city.
Or specific questions.
How to get more website traffic.
How to grow on TikTok.
What's the best social media marketing podcast out there?
- So does that mean that you had to have
written those questions in,
or is it smart enough, the algorithm,
to kind of like transcribe what you're saying to figure out?
I mean, I'm just curious how it functionally pulls that off.
- So I don't know 100%, but what I have found is,
it will bold text from the description of your search
that TikTok is showing is the most relevant
search result for you.
So just like a Google search result will do,
when you type something in, it might bold a section
of the meta description there to get you to see that.
It's very similar.
So what we often do is if we're doing a video
on a search question, a long tail keyword SEO question.
We'll actually post that as the first line
in the description as well, so that is searchable.
We also put it on the screen as the title as well.
So this is a great way to use thumbnails in your videos
is to just paste the topic of that video, whatever it is,
right there, so it's displayable on the video,
so when somebody looks at your profile
or they stumble across it in any of the various
discoverability functions within TikTok,
they know what that video's about.
I think that's also searchable.
But yes, transcriptions are also a thing as well.
They're not public facing within search results
when you type something in,
but I would definitely think that that would be
some sort of backend ranking factor as well.
- Okay, perfect.
So, so far we've toked about brand awareness,
which is that top of the funnel.
And we toked about consideration.
Broad awareness. I'm sorry, not brand.
We've toked about awareness,
which is more of that broad top of the funnel,
and then we've got consideration right underneath it,
and you were about to go into that third one,
before one before I went down that rabbit trail with you.
So what's the third thing you wanted to tok about?
- Actually converting that audience.
So the whole point of this is to not just get vanity metrics
and grow your follower count,
but to actually turn it into leads and sales
for your business.
Because otherwise,
why are you on the platform in the first place?
- Right.
- So these are gonna be straightforward call to actions.
Something like, did you know I created
a free TikTok checklist for you?
Here's all of the things that you're gonna learn
in this checklist, you can click the link in my profile
to get that checklist now.
Or something like, I'm now accepting new clients
for my digital marketing agency.
If you'd like to set up a free 15 minute call with me
to make sure that we're a good fit,
you can schedule that in my bio right now.
And what I like to do from this broad funnel here is,
I personally do about 70% of my content
at that top of the funnel.
Because I just wanna bring in as many people as possible.
Because I know that, as the saying goes,
all boats rise with the tide,
or the tide rises all boats.
However that saying goes,
I know that the more views and engagement that I bring in,
all of my other videos
are going to be shown to those people,
because they've already seen a video,
they've engaged with a video,
they're gonna be shown another one of my videos as well.
And it increases my bottom line views,
the more engagement that I get
on the vast majority of my videos.
So 70% is broad awareness oriented content.
About 20% is in that middle educational
consideration style content.
I'm answering their questions.
I'm spending that extra time to do long tutorials with them.
And then like 10% of the videos that I put out
are call to actions.
And these are never gonna go viral.
They'll probably only reach, on my account,
maybe a couple thousand views on that.
But they're much higher to convert that way.
And the reason for that is nobody wants to watch
an infomercial over and over again.
They wanna learn. They wanna be educated.
They wanna take something away
from the vast majority of your videos.
So that's why I structure it in that exact method.
- Okay, I've got a couple questions.
First of all, 70% at the consideration, 20% at the,
I'm sorry, 70% at the awareness.
20% at consideration and 10% at conversion.
So the discovery of the awareness.
That is going to be mostly in the For You category,
is that correct?
And what about the conversion content
and the consideration content?
Is that seen mostly when they go to your profile,
or does that also get discovered out there, if you will?
- The vast majority of your content
is gonna just be discovered on For You page.
That's just the nature of the platform
and how most people use it.
Not many people are using it as a search engine,
even though that's where it's gearing.
So I just want everyone to set themselves up for success,
because there is a percentage of people
that are still searching for information,
and that's where your videos can thrive
and have that longer shelf life.
But when you're creating content,
all three of these stages of content
are vastly going to be just shown on the For You page.
For a new audience,
as well as the people that are currently following you.
- So on the conversion side of things.
I would imagine that's only gonna be shown to people
that have watched a lot of your other videos.
Is that smart enough to know that
Mike has watched Austin's stuff a lot,
so let's go show Mike more of Austin's stuff,
and they don't care whether or not
it's consideration or conversion,
they just know I like Austin,
and they're gonna show me a lot of your stuff,
is that generally how that works?
- Absolutely.
And to kind of take it back a little bit,
that's the power of TikTok as well
is the algorithm is so powerful,
it sometimes knows you better than you know yourself.
So based on all of your engagement metrics
of just watching a video slightly longer than another one,
or clicking the heart on it,
or actually watching it more than once,
or leaving a comment,
sharing that video with yourself, or a friend.
Watching that video, and then following that creator,
and then these signals as well of watching one video,
following you, going to your profile,
and then watching five more videos.
That's a very powerful string of actions
that TikTok doesn't take lightly.
So when somebody does something like that,
they get kind of put into your bucket of, okay,
we're gonna send you more of these of videos
from this creator because you saw one,
and you ended up watching five more.
We're gonna put more of that creator's content
in front of you.
So absolutely the algorithm is scary brilliant.
- So first of all, I love this. Thank you for this.
There's a lot of people listening right now that are like,
okay, this sounds fascinating, Austin,
but I don't know what to tok about.
I don't know what kind of content should be in the awareness
and the consideration and the conversion side of things.
So can you give us some wisdom of how to come up with
video ideas or topics that can fall into these categories?
- Yeah.
So I think before you actually outline content,
we have to clearly know who you're trying to reach.
So very clearly, and in detail,
outline your target audience, your buyer persona,
whatever you wanna call that individual,
what are their wants, needs, emotional desires?
Who are they currently following online?
What are their interests, and subject matter interests?
And what are your products or services able to do
to cater to that individual person?
Once you have a clearer understanding of that,
all of your content decisions just filter through that lens.
You're gonna have a far better likeliness
of resonating with that person.
Once we have that in place,
from the broad awareness oriented category of content,
what I'd suggest is if you,
you can think about ideas at a broad level, but honestly,
what I'd suggest is to do a little bit of research
within the TikTok app.
So using that search functionality,
you can just type in at a broad level
the product or the service that you offer,
maybe your job title or your profession.
And what you can do is then you can go over
to the videos tab,
and you can filter them by most liked all time.
And this is going to in chronological order show you
the most liked videos in your industry,
or whatever it is that you wanna create about,
and then start getting ideas, start studying these creators
and some of their top videos.
How can you model them?
This is gonna give you- - One quick question.
I love this. I love this.
So can you also filter by most viewed,
and is most liked more important than most viewed?
What's your thoughts on that?
- I don't think there's a filter for most viewed
within the app.
I think you can just do most liked.
- Okay.
So most liked is an important signal, right?
Because not everybody likes every video.
So my guess is, I don't know, tell me, what do you find?
I mean, do you find stuff that's out of the reach
of most creators, when you look at the most liked stuff,
does it tend to be ridiculously high production value
and really difficult to create?
Or what should we be looking for?
What kind of inspiration should we be looking for
when we look at these videos,
even if they appear to be intimidating,
the ones that are most liked?
- Well, I think the more granular that you're able to get,
you're gonna see how accessible it is for you.
There's a lot of,
especially in the education side of things.
It's not that high production value.
You have the Charli D'Amelios, the Bella Poarches,
the Will Smiths, all these top...
What's the name? - Zach Kings?
- Yeah, Zach Kings, Khaby Lame, Who's now number one.
There's a lot of production value in there,
but we're business owners, Mike,
and we're educators, if you will.
So it's a lot simpler, and you can,
you're just looking for messaging and videos
that you can communicate.
And a lot of the time, what you're gonna see
is someone just holding the camera up and telling a story,
or just providing really educational
or informational content that it just resonates
with who they're trying to reach, it's really relatable.
- Do we wanna be looking at the way that they filmed it?
Do we wanna look at the words that they're saying? Both?
I mean, what are your thoughts,
'cause obviously it's powerful that TikTok
tells us this information.
So what should we be analyzing
and maybe trying to reverse engineer if you will?
- Yeah, there's a lot of different ways
that you can format your content as well.
One partikular style that I've been doing recently
is this sort of like fake conversation back and forth
where I'm sideways toking to my myself,
but I'm in two different outfits.
So I'm kind of having a,
this is a very popular style online right now.
And, my most viral, if you will, video ever
just happened three weeks ago, did 9 million views,
in that partikular style.
- Wow. - So I did
20 more of those immediately.
But absolutely.
Look at different styles, test different styles,
test different styles with the different information
that you're able to tok about, see what works best for you,
see what you can consistently commit to as well,
because that style, that conversational style,
there's a lot of editing involved there.
It takes a lot more time to consistently
create content like that, but consistency's really the key.
The vast majority of my content is just holding my phone up
in selfie mode, opening hook,
showing a recording of my computer screen,
and then typically back to me.
And anybody can create this content.
So I would look at the messaging
as well as the format of the content,
and really see what works best for you.
- There's a side of me that wonders whether or not,
let's just say you're in your little search category
that you're looking at, and you sort, like you said,
by most liked all time for that partikular subset of videos.
I would imagine you could do this
for other more broad topics.
And then you could get inspiration
and bring them over to that subcategory,
'cause maybe no one over in this little subcategory
of whatever you're searching for is doing
what people are doing over here.
You could do that as well, couldn't you,
to look for ideas and inspiration, right?
- Oh, absolutely.
You could also look at the comment section
of some of these videos as well that are doing really viral
of the creator and see what's being neglected.
So if there's a comment on there
that has thousands of likes,
but there's no videos on that partikular subject matter,
the audience is telling you what to create content around.
So you can kind of spy on top performing videos
and see what they're lacking
to get tons of other ideas as well.
- Okay, so for awareness,
what I'm hearing you say is there's nothing wrong
with essentially modeling if you will,
some of the most successful content that's on the platform,
but putting your own spin obviously on it.
- Yes, never copy.
- But, isn't it true that in some cases with TikTok,
you do want to be inspired and model other things
very similarly, is that true or not true?
- Model, don't steal.
Don't copy them word for word.
This just happened to me last week.
Somebody literally copied a video that I had put out
word for word, didn't even change up.
So this same video that I had mentioned
that went viral, it got 9 million views.
So there's a bunch of similar creators like, oh,
oh, this works, I'm gonna do this.
- Yeah, yeah.
We don't wanna plagiarize, obviously,
the work. - Oh no, no,
don't plagiarize, but take inspiration of it
and put your own unique perspective on it.
Use your own jargon.
And change it up a little bit.
But yeah, there's tons of these styles.
Model what works,
and trends are a huge thing on this platform.
I don't do a lot of trends, but all trends are is modeling,
and doing essentially the same thing
with your own unique spin.
- So if we're gonna come up with 70% of our content
that is in awareness stage,
I would imagine you're gonna get lots of possible ideas
for inspiration as you start looking
at the most liked content.
And that's gonna be easy, right?
Because that's the stuff that hopefully
will be sent to a broader audience.
But I think one of the things a lot of people
might be wondering about is all right,
what about this next level?
What about consideration?
How in the world do I come up with things to tok about,
or content topics, if you will,
for that partikular kind of a video?
- So this is the stage that's gonna really
take the most amount of research
and the most amount of effort for you,
because this is where you're gonna,
and this is where you should put all that effort,
because this is where you're gonna build that trust
with your audience and who you wanna reach.
So I like to take people through an exercise of,
start with maybe four or five categories, at a broad level,
of what you're able to offer.
All the services that you're able to offer,
all of the products that you're able to offer.
Maybe frequently asked questions that you get as well.
So just to give you a visualization example of this,
one of our clients is a therapist.
So he's able to tok about a lot of different things.
He's able to tok about depression, anxiety,
substance abuse, couples counseling, and narcissism.
So if those are our core categories of content,
outline 5 to 10 single points of information
below each one of those broad categories
that you can tok about and outline in a 30 second video,
these are gonna be very relatable content.
You can leverage keyword research tools to type in,
depression or anxiety or narcissism,
and then sort by questions.
And it's gonna show you all of the questions
that people are typing in on Google.
These are questions that you can also create
short form videos on as well.
And the reason for this and the reason for this exercise
is it's gonna give you a systematik approach
to go through each one of these categories
to see what information works best for you
and what resonates best with your audience.
So in this example, again, with this therapist,
we found out very quickly
that the narcissism oriented content
resonated with so many people online.
So they went viral, viral, viral.
But his other content toking about depression and anxiety,
while these are things that many people are going through
and struggling with, for his communication style,
it just wasn't working.
So we pivoted and we do like 70% of his content
on the narcissism oriented content now,
because that's what's working and that's what's really
growing his follower count.
So this is a systematik approach of figuring out
what information is working and what's not.
That's just based off of frequently asked questions
and keyword research.
But let your audience and the comments that are coming in
do a lot of that lifting for you.
So after you start creating content
that's really resonating with people, prompt them,
ask them questions, what would you like to learn more about?
And even if you don't do that,
people are going to assert themselves
and they're gonna leave comments like,
can you tok about this?
Can you clarify and provide some more information on this?
Or what goes into this?
Or this hit me hard
because I'm going through this personally.
Can you touch a little bit deeper on that?
Doing video responses is a core feature within TikTok,
and really how you're going to build trust.
So leaning into just those two things
is gonna take you really far.
I also wanna highlight too, for both of these categories,
this is something that is not toked about enough
that I see, but it's okay to repost the same video
over and over again.
I'd space it out a little bit.
- Oh, really, okay, that's fascinating.
- Yeah, because the vast majority of your videos
and your content are not going to reach the same people.
The same person that watch one video
is not going to see every single video that you put out.
Some people will,
but the vast majority is going to be new people
that TikTok thinks it will be interested
in your subject matter.
So this helps with consistency a ton.
When you have a video on any one of these educational topics
that does really well, wait a month,
and then repost that same video again.
You don't have to endlessly think of ideas.
Once you build up a little bit of a content library,
you can keep that gravy train rolling
and keep reposting those same videos.
- Do you recommend changing out the thumbnail on it
so it doesn't look the same when people are like scrolling
through your, whatever you call it on TikTok,
where all your videos are?
- Yeah, so you can change a couple different variables
on it, I would change the thumbnail on it,
you could change the description and the hashtags on it.
You could also change the background music on it as well.
Depending how you shoot it, if you shoot it within TikTok
and then upload music on it,
or if you just have your audio voice, but yes,
I would update and change things slightly on there.
- Does this mean we should save a draft of it
or make a copy of it?
I don't know. I'm not active, obviously I'm not on TikTok.
So I don't know how this works from a creative perspective.
But do you understand what I'm asking?
Like if we're gonna change the music
or change it up a little bit,
should we save a copy to our camera roll on our phone
so that we can re-upload it later and not have to worry
about it literally just being a copy?
'Cause I would imagine there's not a duplicate feature
built into TikTok, or is there,
I don't know, maybe there is.
- Not really, there's a repost function,
but I don't think that you can do that on your own account.
I think you can only repost other people's.
Yes, if you want to take that extra step to save it
to your camera roll or download it.
Or if you're shooting on a phone editing app
like CapCut or InShot or whatever that you're using,
and save that raw version of it so that you can upload
that raw version over and over again, that works.
To be honest with you, I'm lazy, Mike.
I'm lazy sometimes.
So sometimes I will just download that video.
- The final link?
- The final one off of TikTok,
I'll use a website like snaptik.app.
And if I'm busy, if I'm traveling,
if I'm unable to create something,
or I have a creative block, I still wanna post every day.
It's okay to be a little bit lazy.
To just download that video
and repost it on your account again, almost exactly as is.
- Let's tok about the conversion video.
tok to me a little bit more about what we need to know
about that as far as coming up with topic ideas.
- Yeah, this is as simple as, what do you wanna promote?
What do you wanna sell?
This is your chance to just call your shot,
and tell it what it is.
So define what your goals are, what you want to convert.
If you want to get people into your email list.
If you want to get people to schedule a call with you.
If you want someone to buy a product or a service
or a digital download.
If you're doing a brand deal or an affiliate marketing deal
or something like that, you can promote the service,
and just have a call to action at the end of that video,
click the link in my bio.
These are gonna be short videos typically,
where you're opening the video up, again,
with a powerful hook, toking about that product or service,
maybe build it up a little bit with
what they're going to get from it.
Because it's all about them, it's never about you,
it's always about the value that you can provide
for the audience that you're trying to reach.
And tell them where to go.
Tell them how to, where to click in your bio.
It's really important as well to have your bio
optimized for this and conversion as well.
It's not just about making that video,
but making your profile,
I think you have 80 characters that you can add in your bio,
and you can have one link.
So you really wanna optimize both of those
to tell your audience what you do, who you help,
where they can find out more,
where they can purchase from you,
and make it really simple with that link
to either one click checkout, or if you have something
like a LinkTree or a Beacons or a Stan,
or whatever link expander tool that you're using.
Optimize all of that
so when you're doing a conversion video,
you're telling them what you're promoting,
you're telling them where they can get that thing
that you're promoting, and you make it really easy for them
to get that thing that you're promoting.
- Since we are toking to marketers,
one of the big questions a lot of them probably have
is analytiks and/or analyzing the results and knowing
how the heck they're working.
What is your advice?
I don't know how deep the analytiks are on TikTok.
Do they provide you a lot of great insights and details?
If not, what do we do about that?
- Right now, analytiks are not great.
They're getting better.
They're slowly rolling out different features.
In fact, I had gotten an update this month
in the analytiks dashboard on individual videos,
and then they took it away from me.
- Really? Okay.
They must be testing it or something.
- They're definitely testing it.
But right now, a couple new analytik features
that they've released recently
is an audience retention graph.
So very much like a YouTube video,
which is very important to study,
if anybody is involved in YouTube,
you can actually see the audience retention,
the drop off points.
Very important so you can pay attention to the things
that you say at that point.
Maybe you're dragging on a little bit.
- What, just outta curiosity for a really good video,
what kind of retention are we toking about?
- You ideally want them to watch that video more than once.
- So you're toking about 100% percent retention
on some videos. - Yeah.
- Or 105% or whatever, really.
- Yeah. Absolutely.
- Those are the ones that are designed to make it sound
like it's not ending and are looping,
is that kind of how that generally works?
- Absolutely.
So that's maybe the single most important metric
that you should focus on on analytiks
is that video watch rate.
The percentage of people that watch the entire video.
The higher that percentage is,
the higher that that video,
or the more that that video is gonna be shown
to more and more people.
- So is the video watch rate and the retention graph
the same, or is that something different?
- It's something different.
So the watch rate is the percentage of people
that have watched the entire video.
And then the audience retention rate
is the average drop off points from everybody
that watched that video.
- Now on YouTube, in partikular,
it's really helpful to kind of know
where you're losing people.
And I would imagine it's the same on TikTok.
So tell everybody what kind of insights you can gain,
maybe when you make your next video,
when you look at these retention graphs and why they matter.
- Yeah.
So paying attention to how long your videos are
are really important as well.
So if you notike that the vast majority of people,
if you're making a 30 second long video,
and most people are dropping off at the 15 second mark,
start making your videos around 15 seconds long,
if you can adjust them.
- There you go.
So that's the simplest thing is,
pay attention to every little detail like that.
One of the analytiks that they took away that I wish that,
that I hoped that they give back,
maybe they were testing is,
they quickly rolled out how many followers
each video gained you, and that was incredibly powerful.
But they took it away, so...
- Is there anything else we should be thinking about
other than the retention graph and the video watch rate,
to know if the stuff that we're doing is working?
Is there any metrics we need to be looking at
as far as, I don't know what they call it,
subscriber growth or whatever,
do those kind of things matter?
- Well, my own personal anecdotal evidence
that I've seen as well is that if you're able to maintain
at least a 10% heart to view ratio,
that video will tend to reach more and more people
as long as that 10% ratio is there.
And I've seen this across multiple accounts.
So it's not just about that watch rate.
But there's some sort of magic number there between
or magic correlation between that like to view ratio.
So if you have a thousand views,
you wanna make sure it has at least a hundred hearts
on that video.
And making it really engaging is how you're gonna
just naturally do that.
Don't tell people, heart this video.
'Cause they actively tell us,
don't try and game the metrics, just get them naturally.
So focus on that.
But externally as well, if you're using,
you can track your success externally as well.
You can use UTM parameters in your bio,
or your bio link, if you will,
so you can actually accurately track traffic
that's coming from TikTok to your website.
But you can also, tools like Beacons
and Stan and LinkTree give you analytiks
on the back end of those as well.
So if you're posting your videos
across multiple social media platforms and you have
that same Beacons link or whatever you want to use
across all of them,
it sort of gives you that traffic funnel,
so you can see how many people came into your LinkTree.
And then individual clicks - Where they went.
- on each one, yeah, where they went.
So that's important stuff to focus on as well.
And it won't tell you specifically
which video drove the most amount of clicks,
but if you really pay attention to the data,
you can see like, okay, at this day,
I saw a large spike in people that clicked onto my website.
What video also did a lot of views that day?
And you can kind of make that correlation.
- Austin. This has been really, really, really helpful.
If people want to discover more about you,
what's your favorite social platform to send them to?
I kind of can guess what it is.
And where can they find you there,
and also where can they go as far as if
you wanna send 'em to your website
to find out more about your business?
- Well, obviously my favorite
social media platform is Twitter.
No, I'm just kidding.
Follow me on TikTok.
But you can find me across the board at Socialty Pro,
it's the name of my company,
it's the same username across all social media platforms.
I would love for you to check out my podcast if you'd like.
I interview real business owners that are leveraging it
to drive leads in sales for their business.
So if you wanna see and hear exact case studies
of how other businesses are leveraging it,
go check that out.
- Well, and we should clarify, Business Tok, T-O-K,
is the name of your podcast,
and your name is Austin Armstrong.
Thank you sir so much for coming on today
and sharing your insights and wisdom with us.
- Such a pleasure, Mike, thank you again.

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